How to edit Shapesheet for master shape (e.g. to set default LocPinX/Y)?

[altoandor]

New Visio user here and I think I must be missing something obvious.

I have created a new master shape. When I drop an instance of this shape into my document, I can edit the Shapesheet of that instance to change things like LocPinX/Y.

How do I edit the Shapesheet of the master shape itself, so that all instances I insert get the desired values as defaults?

When editing the master shape, I can open the Shapesheets for the sub-shapes within the master shape, but I can't find any top-level Shapesheet with LocPinX/Y cells.

(In the Master Explorer, I can right-click the master shape and choose "Show Shapesheet", but this opens a page Shapesheet that does not have LocPinX/Y).

What am I missing?

Thanks,
K

[Surrogate]

(In the Master Explorer, I can right-click the master shape and choose "Show Shapesheet", but this opens a page Shapesheet that does not have LocPinX/Y).

In this case you opened ShapeSheet of page, because there is not selected shape!
Just press keys Ctrl+A. And after this step press Show ShapeSheet button.

[vojo]

if you run vision in developer mode, you can use right click for drop down ==> show shapesheet.
works for stencils and for drawings.

BTW, you can use the shapesheet ==> eventondrop cell to change things on drop on page
for example, you can change the values in pinx and piny when stencil master is dropped into a drswing

eventondrop = setf(getref(pinx), 100mm) + setf(getref(piny), 150mm)

since this places values into pinx and piny, you can still move shape around if you want....pinx, piny would be udate per
visio UI.

[altoandor]

Just press keys Ctrl+A. And after this step press Show ShapeSheet button.

When I do this, as shown in the attached screenshot, it seems to open the ShapeSheet for the most recently added sub-shape, which is the text box (Sheet.56) in this case.

If I change LocPinX/Y in this Sheet.56 ShapeSheet, it doesn't have any effect on the LocPinX/Y settings for an instance of the master shape.

Am I doing something wrong?

BTW, you can use the shapesheet ==> eventondrop cell to change things on drop on page

This sounds useful, but as far as I can tell, I need to solve the above problem first to get to the top-level Shapesheet so that I can set this cell.

[Surrogate]

When I do this, as shown in the attached screenshot, it seems to open the ShapeSheet for the most recently added sub-shape, which is the text box (Sheet.56) in this case.

I was expecting a group named Sheet.5 inside the master-shape and there are 56 sub-shapes inside it!

[altoandor]

So, if I group all the sub-shapes, as in the screenshot, then it works. The ShapeSheet for instances dropped into a document is based on the ShapeSheet for the group in the master shape.

I guess this is what I was missing. I didn't find any documentation or forum posts saying it was necessary to group all the sub-shapes within the master shape. (If there is documentation of this somewhere, please let me know. There's probably other useful info there I'm also missing!)

[Surrogate]

I didn't find any documentation or forum posts saying it was necessary to group all the sub-shapes within the master shape. (If there is documentation of this somewhere, please let me know. There's probably other useful info there I'm also missing!)

I know about grouping before create master about 20 years.
This article very same Creating Your Own Shapes in Visio - University of Wyoming

[wapperdude]

The most comprehensive, unabridged Visio document, is this V2002 edition.  There are more features available in the current Visio object model, but this is a really nice, in depth, fundamental treatment of Visio.  https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/office/developer/office-xp/aa217846(v=office.10)

[vojo]

google "visio shapesheet cells" or "vision shapesheet functions"

[hidden layer]

Hi,

I'm also sometimes struggling with functions and how they react on values.

Changing some value, see what happens, changing again (or things like this) can be somewhat frustrating.

Here: http://visguy.com/vgforum/index.php?topic=9911.15 I added some "carthesian.vsdx" where  with one "move" you can change 2 values "directly" in the shapesheet (just to see what happens).

For me the "haptic" way is often more easy to "really" understand than some theoretical treatise.

Nevertheless wapperdude's recommendation is a very good one.

You can adapt this to other fields in shapesheet as well.

have fun
hl