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The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« on: December 24, 2016, 05:58:05 AM »
Dear Colleagues,

I've been using Visio for almost twenty years, since V5.0.  I've faithfully upgraded when each new version came out (although I missed Visio 2007).  I began to feel a bit less satisfied with it as Microsoft updated it, and in particular I think the first versions with the ribbon control were a step backwards.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm actually a big fan of the ribbon and love it in Word, Excel, et al, but it really didn't seem to fit that well with Visio.  My preferred layout in the older versions was to have lots of toolbars showing at the top, giving me one-click access to almost all the functions.  The ribbon just meant many more mouse clicks, as far as I was concerned.

Anyway, yesterday I was using Visio 2013 and dreaming wistfully of the pre-ribbon days, when I decided to dig out my copy of Visio 2003 Pro and see if it would run in Windows 10.

And what a joy it is!  I'd forgotten what a fine piece of software that version was.  Super-fast, extremely customisable, and with toolbars rather than the ribbon control.  I spent a happy hour customising everything and re-familiarising myself with it.

Now, I have two questions:

Firstly, what do you guys think of Visio 2007, the version I missed?  Is it like 2003, but better?  Is it worth me trying to find a copy?

Secondly, Visio 2003 seems to work perfectly in Windows 10 except for one thing: every time I close the program it crashes, saying "Microsoft Office Visio has stopped working...".   Of course it doesn't actually matter much, because I'm closing it anyway.  The nuisance arises because it then helpfully tries to restart Visio, so I have to hit the Cancel key to stop that.

I've tried running in in compatibility mode for XP SP3, and I've tried "Run as Administrator", but neither made a difference.  I've also checked my computer's DEP setting, and it is set for "Essential Windows services only". 

So, has anyone else experienced this strange crash on exiting Visio 2003?  Is there a know cure or workaround?  (One other small clue is that it won't remember the Tools | Customise | Options | Always show full menus setting.)

Many thanks,
Steve

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Re: The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2016, 08:46:26 AM »
Regarding the crash - if you have 2013 and 2003 both installed (?), this 2013 update may be the issue:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2767916
Uninstalling that update fixed odd problems with 2007 and 2013 installed on the same computer for me and many others.
2003 uses similar registration as 2007, so you can give it a try.

Regarding 2007 itself - it's okay, runs fine on Windows 10. Make sure you install SP3 though.
From what the 2003 version did not have, it has data graphics / linking to data (if you care about that).

From the other side, 2003 was the last version to support for example both Reverse and Forward database engineering.
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Re: The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2016, 08:52:37 AM »
My Visio 2010 crashes whenever my laptop goes to sleep. Just starting Visio so it is either at the start screen or with a new blank document, then closing the laptop lid so it sleeps, then open it again (either a minute later or 24 hours later) and Visio has crashed. It didn't used to do this, so it must have been a recent software update. No other software I ever use does anything like that! The ribbon is a whole leap backwards.
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Re: The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2016, 07:08:59 PM »
Regarding the crash - if you have 2013 and 2003 both installed (?), this 2013 update may be the issue:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2767916
Uninstalling that update fixed odd problems with 2007 and 2013 installed on the same computer for me and many others.
2003 uses similar registration as 2007, so you can give it a try.

Thank you for replying, Nikolay.

Interestingly my PC doesn't have that update installed, so I guess I can't blame that for the glitch.  I have Office 2016 installed, and it must remain that way until I finish my university course in May.  I installed Visio 2003 after Office 2016, which of course is the wrong order to do things.  I wonder if that may be something to do with the problem.  I don't want to just assume that, though, without asking you guys, who are far more experienced with Visio than I am.

I hate using Office 2016.  I think the flat, monochrome, everything-touch-sized UI design in Office 2016 (and 2013) is incredibly ugly and, frankly, much more difficult to use than Office 2010, which I think is the very best version ever.  I actually like the Ribbon, at least for Word and Excel, but now that they've removed almost every vestige of colour and made the symbols crude and blocky I find myself hunting for the required control a lot more.  Also, they've resized various bits to make room for the collaboration features implemented in 2013 and more so in 2016, and as a solitary user I have no use for them.

So, as soon as my course is finished Office 2016 will be flushed out of my PC and 2010 will be reinstalled.  I'll probably start again, installing Visio 2003 (or 2007) first, then Office 2010.

Thanks again for your reply.

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Re: The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2017, 02:09:11 PM »
So, can I take it that the crash-when-closing thing is not a known problem, but something specific to my set up?

Just to summarise: Visio 2003 in W10 runs OK, but when closing it pops up a message saying:

"Microsoft Office Visio has stopped working"  ("Windows is checking for a solution" in smaller text).

I won't bump this any more after this message.


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Re: The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2017, 07:21:03 PM »
As an FYI, I have V2007 and Office 2010.  Both coexist peaceably.  As I recall, V2007 had to install 1st, but not sure about that.

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Re: The joys of old software, and a question on crashes
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 04:36:05 PM »
Thank you, wapperdude.   :)