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Title: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 12:48:08 PM
I am really mad.
This morning I woke up my computer and to my surprise all my Visio work is gone
I am in a middle of a lot of intense work and I do not shut down the computer in order to save time with the boot up next morning, I just put the computer in Sleep mode
Every evening before I "Sleep" my Win7 computer I save all the docs that have pending changes
On top of that I have Autosaving enabled and quite often Visio interrupts my work to save that info. So WTH is is saving if there is nothing to recover ??

There were some pending patches that I did not have time to apply
I am not sure if over night our house lost the power or Microsoft decided to restart my computer to apply the patches but this morning instead of waking up as usually my computer started by applying patches and everything was gone, I could not resume form where I left

Other applications were fine, I could still find my docs
Only the Visio docs are gone, back to revisions 2 days old or more...I still have to search the magnitude of this disaster

What can I do ? Where do I have to look for the autorecovery info???
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 01:09:48 PM
Autosave.ini points me to useless files one of the was created this morning when I opened the files and I realized that everything is gone
I guess autosave.ini is overwritten when you open new docs

This batch of MS patches included lots of Vision 2010 patches

I wish I could make MS pay for all this crap ..I promise myself to never pay for their software again.
If they take no responsibility for what they sell (they say that in the license agreement) I don't see why I have to pay for it ....just to end up in situations like this ????????

Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: AndyW on June 16, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
The thought of relying on auto save feels me with horror.

As fore relying on MS sleep, well .... !!!!
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: AndyW on June 16, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
The thought of relying on auto save feels me with horror.

As fore relying on MS sleep, well .... !!!!

Never had problems with these before and I have been doing this for around 6-7 years
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 02:18:32 PM
Sorry, I agree with Andy, it was a disaster waiting to happen.
If you have actually saved the files then they should still be where you saved them.
Otherwise there are two watch words - Backup and Version Control (three watch words) and backup your version control!!!!!!  8)
Those who do don't lose files. Those who don't do.

Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 02:27:57 PM
I do have backups I just don't make them every day
What do you guys use for version control
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 02:34:08 PM
But how can you explain that other apps were fine after this incident and I could recover their files ?
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
I use Cobian for backups and and CS-RCS for version control.
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
I don't explain it. Different programs, different file formats.
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 03:43:01 PM
Another very useful trick is to save files you are working on with the date and time within the file name.
Do it hourly if you like, even daily.
Power cuts, computer crashes, kids messing around, cats sitting on the keyboard. You might think it a awaste of time until one day you say TTF to yourself.
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
I use Cobian for backups and and CS-RCS for version control.

this one?
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/456/CS-RCS-a-free-revision-control-system-for-Windows
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
That's the one.
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
That's the one.

seems old and not maintained anymore
Where can I find some docs and tutorials for the windows version?
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 04:57:05 PM
Maybe it was written properly in the first place (the core code is based on a Unix program) and doesn't need constant bug-fixes. It still works with Windows 10. I've been using it for many years now, it just works.
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: Paul Herber on June 16, 2016, 04:57:05 PM
Maybe it was written properly in the first place (the core code is based on a Unix program) and doesn't need constant bug-fixes. It still works with Windows 10. I've been using it for many years now, it just works.

Not even mentioned here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_version_control_software

Not very intuitive and lacks documentation
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 16, 2016, 05:13:32 PM
What would be the advantages of this RCS software over a Backup software that keeps previous versions of the same file (if configured to do so?)
For a single user I don;t really see the point to have an RCS
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: wapperdude on June 16, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
I think RCS has value in multi-user environment...keeping users up- to-date, controlling who can make revisions, documenting revisions.

Generally, backup doesn't provide the same level of control and structure.  Probably depends on the software.

If you're making a lot of drawings, selling product which requires some sort of revision tracking, then, you need some software support.  If this is limited usage, personal stuff, then developing good backup habits ought to suffice.  But, backup software may give an additional level  security.

Wapperdude
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: AndyW on June 17, 2016, 09:09:16 AM
I use subversion, running a Visual SVN server (free).

Even as a single developer, version control can be useful especially if you have multiple build environments.
Title: Re: M$ crap and Visio crap -this never happened to me before
Post by: PF4VisioGuy on June 17, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
I am just a regular guy who uses Visio to keep some info in good order
What I am doing is closer to DTP than toVisio but the VBA side of Visio allows me to resize and format some text boxes as I wish
I also have diagrams included in these (it is like Command Line text and network diagrams)  so Visio seems a good solution

I am not selling these so all I need is backup. A CVS is an overkill