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Title: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 13, 2009, 02:17:16 PM
Here are a couple of drawings compiled using the "Isometric Stencils" for Yoda

They have an impact for a trainee as you can draw the piece of plant kit as it is viewed on site

Stefan
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on January 13, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
For more information about the isometric piping shapes that Stefan used to create these fantastic schematics, read this article:

Go 3D with Free Isometric Piping Shapes for Visio (http://www.visguy.com/2008/06/25/free-isometric-piping-shapes-for-visio/)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: JuneTheSecond on January 14, 2009, 01:53:40 AM
What artistically beautiful drawings they are! :D :D :D
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 14, 2009, 04:29:45 AM
Thankyou Junichi for your positive comments, they could not have been drawn without your stencils.

I have been using Visio since version 4.1 and when I found your stencils & fonts it gave me a new impetus to try and create some novel training material, although I am now coming to the end of my working life, I still enjoy using the program.

Attached another drawing you wish to view

I have been working for some time creating cut away diagrams in Visio, see the second attachment,(although it does not show up well as a twice printed pdf to reduce the size).

 I now have to work out how to create the same type of cut away using Isometrics

Stefan
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on January 14, 2009, 05:26:20 AM
Good Lord, these are COOL!

Thanks for sharing, Stefan!
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: JuneTheSecond on January 14, 2009, 05:43:44 AM
Now, I remember you who kindly sent me the drawing years ago.
I am very glad to hear you again on Visio Guy. :)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 14, 2009, 07:56:37 AM
Good to here from you again, I am a regular visitor to your web site as you always have interesting program improvements 

Here are some of your basic shapes with some minor changes, e.g. I have taken the white background off the lines

Also thankyou for the positive comments Visio Guy

For anyone interrested I have attached a drawing of how I put together the heat exchanger ( zoom in on the joints to view more detail)   

Stefan
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on January 14, 2009, 11:50:34 AM
took yoda's shapes....added color shading....have fun
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on January 14, 2009, 12:00:15 PM
actual basic shapes....note also includes light source and reference....just right click shape
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on January 14, 2009, 12:48:28 PM
Now I am vindicated!

I've received flack over on the Visio Guy blog (http://www.visguy.com) from some naysayers who think I post too many articles on how to make "pretty" graphics with Visio.

The stuff you guys are uploading is truly outstanding!

Thanks all!

Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 14, 2009, 03:45:12 PM
Vojo
Thanks for the input, your drawing is an excellent example of what can be achieved using Junichi Yoda's stencils. It never ceases to amaze me what can be achieved with Visio.

My aim is to try and use the program in an attempt to increase the learning of a complex chemical process by splitting it into its basic elements and making a drawing as easy to understand as possible for new personnel.

In my line of business there were only Autocad P&ID drawings which can be very difficult to read and understand, until I started using Visio to create simplified diagrams of small sections of a complex process which plant personnel find user friendly and increase the learning circle.

I am a silver surfer who has learned what I know from experience using the program, I am always eager to learn from others as I willing to share what limited knowledge I have gained and I see from your postings you are a talented Visio user, willing to share your knowledge.     
Stefan 
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on January 15, 2009, 03:14:19 PM
thanks for kind words.   learned from the school of hard knocks driven by a need to convey complex computer configs (BladeCenter packs alot of stuff in a small package....hence the config is always
a discussion point)

Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 29, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Here are another couple of isometric drawings, these are relating to a petrochemical process.
Stefan 
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 29, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Missed one
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on January 31, 2009, 05:55:16 PM
And another
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: davidoff on February 04, 2009, 04:30:11 PM
very good work Stefan!!!
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on February 04, 2009, 08:52:19 PM
Thanks for the positive comment.

I do not have the time these days to use Visio to i'ts full potential, but I have enjoyed using Yoda's stencils.

Perhaps when I retire from my daily job which is not to far away, I will have some spare time to enjoy myself.

I have gained much pleasure teaching others in my workplace to use the program instead of getting me to produce thier drawings. My company does not get the most out of this program which tends to frighten off personnel more so than the use of the standard office programs.

The work done by some of the contributers really gives me a buzz, perhaps because I have developed my skills in producing drawings for the petrochemical industry, which I have have used in learning aids, is very focused, some of these other guys are really thinking outside the box.
Stefan   
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: davidoff on February 05, 2009, 03:22:28 PM
is there any way to make shape in 3D axes,

for example X - Y and Z, ??
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Paul Herber on February 05, 2009, 04:25:17 PM
There is a 3D axis shape in the Charting Shapes stencil.


Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: wapperdude on February 05, 2009, 07:45:07 PM
Visio is 2-D, it only knows X-, Y-Axis.  You can brute force your shapes to look 3-D, but there is no third coordinate, Z-axis.  That's what makes these isometric drawing shapes so special.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on February 06, 2009, 04:48:18 AM
Not only are the stencils amazing, the use of Isomentric fonts makes the ISO drawing look and feel more complete, that Yoda is one smart guy.
I have made some additions to the original stencils, to add pieces of kit which were not in the package as I am using for a specific purpose and once you start to draw in ISO, you find out what the limitations are for Visio, some shapes it will accept and enlarge, rotate etc some it will not, but it can be fun to try.
Some years ago I did try a similar drawing package 'Conceptdraw', but this had similar limitations. Perhaps it is something for the future to expand and develop this feature.   
Stefan
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on February 06, 2009, 07:03:43 AM
Here is another example of what can be achieved using the ISO stencils and fonts, you will see I have added 'lifelike valves, relief valves and pressure gauges to aid the recognition for personnel using these drawings.
The file attached is compessed due to the large size it will extract to a pdf
Stefan   
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on February 06, 2009, 10:48:29 AM
As a suggestion:

There are universal equations to translate a 2D object into a 3D object.  Typically this is presented as a matrix operation using sine/cosine of 3 different angles.  Ie maps any point (vertex) in 2D space into 3D space.

Anyway, it might be helpful if there was a macro or VBA that could be called to make the translations.
Ie, a common shape (say cube with all 6 sides defined), run the macro, values get plugged into shape, voila, an isometric view (or any 3-D presentation - standard or non standard) based off the 3 angles defined in say custom properties.

I have done a bit of thinking about extending the idea of the offset light source control handle idea presented here about a year ago.  Ie 3 control handles to define the 3 angles of interest, user can move at will.  Control handle manages the value of the angle, shape takes the angle and applies to the geometry sections of interest.   But I have not had a chance to play with the coding.

anyway...just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on February 06, 2009, 10:58:20 AM
In Visio 2007 you have the ability to define custom functions for the ShapeSheet. This eases the problems of transforming 3D points into 2D space.

Yoda (Junichi) and I have played around with this a little bit as far as 3D stuff goes, but we haven't done anything serious.

If you're interested in this user-defined function capability, check out this article:

User-defined ShapeSheet Functions in Visio 2007 (http://www.visguy.com/2007/01/01/user-defined-shapesheet-functions-in-visio-2007/)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: wapperdude on February 06, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
Well, since you're playing around with this, might it be possible to take Vojo's idea of control points on the document page, and then, when you drop a shape, it inherits the angle values from the page via parent reference?
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on February 06, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
user cells at the sheet level.

I used that approach for the animation dashboard
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: zhuravsky on February 19, 2009, 01:42:21 AM
"3d" picture of 200 MW steam turbine
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on February 19, 2009, 11:02:37 AM
Whew! That steam turbine is cool, and is definitely worth a look.

Here's a sneak preview:

Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on February 19, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
Wow zhuravsky
That is one excellent drawing, those stencils sure are versatile.
Stefan 
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: zhuravsky on February 20, 2009, 12:32:55 AM
Here are sources in VSD format (part 1of 2)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: zhuravsky on February 20, 2009, 12:34:26 AM
Part 2 of 2

Try cylinder shape and crossover pipes between IPC and LPC.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on February 20, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
cant seem to open either drawing.  Are you sure they posted correctly
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Paul Herber on February 20, 2009, 08:54:01 AM
cant seem to open either drawing.  Are you sure they posted correctly
It seems to be a multi-part (spanned) zip but there is only one part in the file.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on February 20, 2009, 10:02:24 AM
first file:   corrupted
second file:   unzipped==>launch started==>then nothing (waited 5 min before closing)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: zhuravsky on February 20, 2009, 11:20:17 AM
Sorry guys,
I file itself is bigger than permitted 500 KB. I packed that file in FreeCommander with multiple volumes option. Unfortunatelly, I have no other software to split archive and try again. So, I've deleted some shapes from VSD file to reduce a size (even generator and some valves, :( ). Try this:
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on March 01, 2009, 01:32:55 PM
I think the steam turbine drawing is excellent, very detailed drawing, attached is another from my collection. If anyone would prefer the Visio file, drop me a post
Stefan
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: sealight on March 25, 2009, 09:15:07 AM
actual basic shapes....note also includes light source and reference....just right click shape
Excellent Work!

I've notice however that corner rounding produces a not very realistic effect... the corners don't seem right on rectangles.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on March 25, 2009, 11:45:40 AM
corner rounding only works right when two of the 3 dimensions is 0.   In essence, there is a check to in each of the 3 shapes to see if one of the 2 pertinent dimensions for that shape is 0...if so...shape is hidden.  other subshapes behave normally.   So in essence rounding really works for "planes".

The problem stemmed from the fact that each subshape has different edges so the rounding is respective to their edges.  So rounding a 3D gets you rounding in 2D along 3 axis (sort of double "bumps" on each corner where subshapes meet).

If you want to build something 3D with rounding, you might want to look at the manifolds.  They will allow you to round corners and arc the edges.  Use several to build your 3D shape (they have light source if I remember correctly as well).   When down, group them and go.

I still have not gotten around to making manifolds like "legos" yet...aka connect them up via connection points.   
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: sealight on March 26, 2009, 07:25:24 AM
(...)So in essence rounding really works for "planes".(...)
Even for "planes" it doesn't seem right. The perspective is not right on rounded corners.
Look at this:
(http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg134/scaled.php?server=134&filename=corners.png&xsize=640&ysize=480)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: vojo on March 26, 2009, 08:45:24 AM
There are a couple of things to consider here.

1. curved corners are based on the entire shape dimensions (this is a visio thing...not me)
   for example....your picture on the left, that manifold is set at 50mm x 50mm...so rounding uses that
   to make symmetric bends.   if the you make the manifold like the one on the right...50 x 25, rounding
   behaves as you expect.
2. for both manifolds and the iso blocks...this is true.

attached allows you to play with this to see for yourself
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: sealight on March 26, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
There are a couple of things to consider here.

1. curved corners are based on the entire shape dimensions (this is a visio thing...not me)
   for example....your picture on the left, that manifold is set at 50mm x 50mm...so rounding uses that
   to make symmetric bends.   if the you make the manifold like the one on the right...50 x 25, rounding
   behaves as you expect.
2. for both manifolds and the iso blocks...this is true.

attached allows you to play with this to see for yourself
The issue is the corners are not symmetric. The corner radius doesn't seem to be the same:
Look:
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5430/corners2.png)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on March 26, 2009, 10:31:06 AM
Since Visio is a 2D program, it is "mindlessly" applying the same radius of rounding to each corner. Since you are thinking in 3D or in isometric-land, it looks wrong to you. But you can see that the radius of curvature is the same by doing a little test:

Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Visio Guy on March 26, 2009, 10:32:18 AM
To limit the rounding, you can add vertices to a shape nearer to the corners.

If you select a shape with the Pencil or Line tool, you can Ctrl+Click new vertices onto the shape's paths:

Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: wapperdude on March 26, 2009, 10:42:20 AM
...and here's my add
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: sealight on March 26, 2009, 11:15:51 AM
Since Visio is a 2D program, it is "mindlessly" applying the same radius of rounding to each corner. Since you are thinking in 3D or in isometric-land, it looks wrong to you. But you can see that the radius of curvature is the same by doing a little test:

Thanks for the explanation. Eventually (in the future) Visio will evolve and have better 3D support.

A question:
Where can we find Isometric fonts?
I only know this but it hasn't all symbols (latin)
http://www.geocities.com/piping_isometrics/English/Visio_SetUpIsometricFonts.htm
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: wapperdude on March 26, 2009, 11:21:45 AM
You may want to check out this post entry:  Variable Oblique Text (http://visguy.com/vgforum/index.php?topic=595.0) , by June the 2nd, User-submitted Stuff.  His website has a lot of valuable entries.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on March 26, 2009, 03:35:49 PM
I got these 'isometric fonts' from june the 2nd a while ago, suprised he has removed them from his website, so you will have to say thanks to him
Stefan   
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on March 26, 2009, 03:46:07 PM
 sealight
Sorry I had not realised you already had these, silly me, nurse, I need more medication.

wapperdude,
I think you have cracked the rounded corners, who would have thought my initail post would have created so much interest. 
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: wapperdude on March 26, 2009, 04:35:51 PM
I was pleasantly surprised that the "join" operation didn't force all of the corners to have identical roundings.  Sometimes, you just never know what to expect!
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: sealight on April 06, 2009, 09:29:32 AM
You may want to check out this post entry:  Variable Oblique Text (http://visguy.com/vgforum/index.php?topic=595.0) , by June the 2nd, User-submitted Stuff.  His website has a lot of valuable entries.
Isometric text can indeed be written with this "Variable oblique text" stencil but we have to set the properties ad hoc.
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4235/variableobliquetext.png)
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: JuneTheSecond on April 06, 2009, 09:39:43 PM
Hi,

WordArt is the strong tool to make shapes of caracters.
I coppied WardArt to Viso as Windows metafile, ungrouped,
deleted useless lines, and so on. I forgot details.
One of the results are posted in my homepage.
http://www.geocities.jp/visualcalculation/english/index.html
at "Shapes of Character Shape" and
"Making character-type shapes in Italic"

Almost all fonts published are protected with copy right,
and then I think making and publishing various isometric
fonts is very much difficult.
Title: Re: Isometric Piping Stencils: Example Drawings
Post by: Stefan on June 21, 2009, 01:01:42 PM
Here is another section of plant equipment using the Shapes from Yoda, unable to upload as a .vsd as it's 1.2mb